[IYRPsupportgroup] Discussion on planting trees in rangelands (7 mails)
Fagouri Said
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Sat Nov 20 13:48:54 MST 2021
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Chers tous, planter dans les pâturages, je vous raconte l’expérience du Maroc:
Les techniques de régénération pour l’amélioration pastorales adoptées sont nombreuses:
1- Labour et semis d’agroperum, ça était une catastrophe naturelle, on a labouré des pâturages où il y’avait l’armoise en état de dégradation.
2- Labour et semis de medicagos snails dans des pâturages ou pousser les medicagos sp, les résultats n’étaient pas à la hauteur des dépenses
3- Labour et semis de medicagos avec plantations d’arbustes fourragers, atriplexes et acacia à raison de 500 arbustes par Ha, ça était une vraie réussite, les arbustes fourragers jouaient le rôle de gardien pendant 3 ans de mise en défens
4- Plantation d’atriplexe à raison de 1100 Arbustes à l’Ha, les résultats sont encourageants dans les régions où il pleut plus de 300 mm/ an , les communautés continuent l’extension des plantations, la région est située pas loin d’une réserve naturelle où il y’a des gazelles, ce qui fait on voit de temps en temps des groupes de gazelles dans les pâturages.
Mais dans les zones où la pluviométrie est inférieure à 200 mm, les résultats ne sont pas à la hauteur des investissements, au bout de quelques années, il ne reste plus rien.
5- Mise en défens sans travaux, ni plantations, ni labour, juste le gardiennage avec des indemnités de mise en défens, les résultats sont très encourageants, les pâturages se régénèrent tous seuls, évidemment dès le retour des troupeaux les pâturages se dégradent à cause du surpâturage.
En conclusion et à mon avis, planter des arbres dans pâturages est grosse erreur, qui dit planter dit mise en défens pendant plusieurs années, les pâturages ne sont pas des forêts, on va soustraire, les surfaces plantés des pâturages, les éleveurs seront lésés.
Reste à savoir aussi si la pluviométrie est suffisante pour la survie et le développement des arbres.
Dear all, planting in the pastures, I tell you the experience of Morocco:
The regeneration techniques for pastoral improvement adopted are numerous:
1- Plowing and sowing agroperum, it was a natural disaster, we plowed pastures where there was mugwort in a state of degradation.
2- Plowing and sowing medicagos snails in pastures or pushing medicagos sp, the results were not up to the expense
3- Plowing and sowing of medicagos with plantations of fodder shrubs, atriplexes and acacia at the rate of 500 shrubs per Ha, it was a real success, the fodder shrubs played the role of guardian for 3 years of defenses
4- Plantation of atriplex at the rate of 1100 Shrubs per Ha, the results are encouraging in regions where it rains more than 300 mm / year, the communities continue to extend the plantations, the region is located not far from a nature reserve where there are gazelles, which means that we occasionally see groups of gazelles in the pastures.
But in areas where the rainfall is less than 200 mm, the results are not up to the investment, after a few years, there is nothing left.
5- Defensing without work, planting or plowing, just guarding with compensation for defending, the results are very encouraging, the pastures regenerate on their own, obviously as soon as the herds return, the pastures deteriorate due to overgrazing.
In conclusion and in my opinion, planting trees in pastures is a big mistake, which says planting means defending for several years, pastures are not forests, we will subtract, areas planted from pastures, breeders will be harmed.
It also remains to be seen whether the rainfall is sufficient for the survival and development of the trees.
Dr Fagouri Said
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> Le 20 nov. 2021 à 17:15, Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de> a écrit :
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> Dear all,
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> We have all seen some mails in this listserv about planting trees in Mongolia. However, because Barbara, Maryam and I (who moderate this listserv) don’t want to have too much traffic on it (we promised people who signed up that they wouldn’t receive many mails via this list), we collected the mails about tree-planting and have put them all in this mail, from first to last mail. I hope I caught them all.
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> The prospects of planting trees in rangelands has generated a good discussion and highlights one of the many reasons why we need the IYRP to be designated so that more work can be done to fill knowledge gaps and raise awareness about rangelands and pastoralism. The Government of Mongolia’s leadership in this regard has been instrumental in achieving great progress in bringing the IYRP proposal through the FAO approval process and now to the UN General Assembly.
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> An international discussion like this one on the IYRP Support Group listserv allows countries to learn from each other. If any of you would like to send more contributions to this discussion about planting trees in rangelands, please go ahead – and we will once again collect several contributions and put them all into one mail. We hope this will allow discussion to continue but without overloading people’s mailboxes.
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> Cheers,
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> Ann
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> From: Flintan, Fiona (ILRI) <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>
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> Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 9:57 PM
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> To: iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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> Subject: [IYRPsupportgroup] President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> I am wondering where this tree planting will take place: https://montsame.mn/en/read/279993
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> Fiona Flintan
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> Senior Scientist-Rangelands and Pastoralism, ILRI (International Livestock Research Institute) (hosted at IFAD Rome)
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> Italy and WhatsApp/Telegram: +39-3496462017 Ethiopia: +251-921777402;
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> Skype: fiona.flintan
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> Twitter: @rangelands_glbl
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> Instagram: @rangelands_glbl
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> From: Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> Date: 8 November 2021 at 22:45:19 PM CET
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> To: "Flintan, Fiona (ILRI)" <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>, "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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> Thank you Fiona.
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> That is not good news. We need to help make sexy planting grass.
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> Here is an initial effort we did with the main Mexican Airline, AeroMéxico:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHaHO5n920&fbclid=IwAR3Ry7LVQyignv63pfVob9eudNq3R0k2E7_CyLXgjkZLvfVlLnPVavV6hcY
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> Best,
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> Jürgen
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> From: "Olson, Kirk" <kolson at wcs.org>
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> Subject: Re: President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> Date: 9 November 2021 at 4:50:17 AM CET
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> To: "Flintan, Fiona (ILRI)" <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>, "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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> Hopefully it won't take place at all. Someone should provide better advice to politicians around tree planting in arid rangelands and the negative effects this has.
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> KO
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> From: Ariell Ahearn Ligham <ariell.ahearn at ouce.ox.ac.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 10:51:25 PM
> To: Flintan, Fiona (ILRI) <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>; iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> It reminds me of Stalin's great plan for the 'transformation of nature' - also an enormous afforestation campaign to keep the steppe at bay. It was fraught with racist ideas about steppe landscapes, 'drying winds' from Asia and was obsessed with expanding agricultural cultivation into the grasslands.
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> A great article on this topic: Brain, Stephen. "The great Stalin plan for the transformation of nature." Environmental History 15.4 (2010): 670-700.
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> I personally think planting a billion trees in Mongolia is a huge waste of time and money. Better to shut down the coal mines if you really want to make a positive impact for the environment and society.
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> From: Enkh-Amgalan Tseelei <enkhamgalan at greengold.mn>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:19 AM
> To: Ariell Ahearn Ligham <ariell.ahearn at ouce.ox.ac.uk>; Flintan, Fiona (ILRI) <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>; iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> Hi,
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> This is even worse…
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> UNCCD expresses readiness to support President’s initiative (montsame.mn)
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> From: Tungaa SG <tungaa.sg at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 4:29 AM
> To: Ariell Ahearn Ligham <ariell.ahearn at ouce.ox.ac.uk>, "Flintan, Fiona (ILRI)" <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>, "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] President of Mongolia commits to planting a billion trees by 2030
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> Dear Ariell,
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> Indeed this movement of planting Billion trees is going in a controversial manner. The danger is growing trees in the natural forest have been taken away damaging the roots/soil and transplanted to urban areas or peri-urban steppe areas where there was no forest before.
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> Large areas of steppes and grasslands have been dug out to plant trees. People are protesting against such an approach.
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> Tungaa
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> From: Carolyn Baldwin <carolbaldwin at ksu.edu>
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> Subject: [IYRPsupportgroup] Result of planting trees in grasslands
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> Date: 9 November 2021 at 16:36:05 PM CET
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> To: Enkh-Amgalan Tseelei <enkhamgalan at greengold.mn>, Ariell Ahearn Ligham <ariell.ahearn at ouce.ox.ac.uk>, "Flintan, Fiona (ILRI)" <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>, "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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> In the North American Great Plains, we have experience of 100 years or more of planting trees in native rangelands and a lack of tree-removing prescribed burning due to a forestry bias. The result isn't good for rangelands, as detailed in this new publication.
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> Reducing woody encroachment in grasslands: A guide for understanding risk and vulnerability
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> Twidwell et al. https://t.e2ma.net/click/xwr0qg/xsk02po/13nhso
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> Carol
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> Carol Baldwin, Ph.D.
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> Agriculture, Natural Resources, and Community Vitality
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