[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

Fri Sep 4 05:39:09 MST 2020

I like the idea of the video testimony very much too. And it should be easy
to get thanks to the widespread smartphone use.

El vie., 4 sept. 2020 a las 12:44, Jurgen Hoth (<jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>)
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> Dear Maryam,
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> “Land on which the indigenous vegetation (climax or natural potential) is
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> many deserts, tundra, alpine communities, marshes, and wet meadows (SRM
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> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> on behalf of Maryam Niamir Fuller <mniafull2 at gmail.com>
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> *To: *Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com>
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> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
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> Good comments. But in our discussions in the past, we made a deliberate
> choice to be inclusive in our definition *for the purpose of the IYRP*.
> The IYRP is a global worldwide initiative for all people whose livelihood
> depends on rangelands. (Note that the definition of "rangeland" comes from
> the International Rangeland Congress). For example, the folks herding
> reindeers do consider themselves as pastoralists (and these are semi-wild
> animals); also the southern african pastoralists who also have (and manage)
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> Would folks agree if we were to make a short video of testimony from as
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> This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not
> subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading.
> Although both groups use rangelands,  'herding' and 'ranching', are quite
> different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle.
> Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a
> totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and
> inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the
> case in ranching.  I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas
> ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in
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> Thanks Jurgen for raising this issue. I agree with Ann that many terms are
> used for pastoralists around the world. As David Phelps said, pastoralists
> is really only used in one state in Australia, we also use grazier and
> farmer; with farmer probably the most commonly used term. Of course, in
> Australia pastoralists do not tend to move their livestock as a regular
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> Comments would be very helpful in helping define this term in the
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> *From:* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
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> *To:* Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
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> Many thanks for this, Jürgen!
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> The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their
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> which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA) or “graziers”
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> Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all other
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> Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the
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> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
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> *Date: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM
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> *To: *"Ferrari, Serena (NSAG)" <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
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> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
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> *De la part de* Ann Waters-Bayer
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> *Envoyé :* mardi 1 septembre 2020 09:59
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> *Objet :* [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
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