[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

Thu Sep 3 10:02:41 MST 2020

In Argentina, we translate rangelands as 'pastizales naturales' and wey
long for a Word dicho as rangelands


El mié., 2 de septiembre de 2020 8:37 a. m., Pablo Manzano Baena <
pablo.manzano.baena at gmail.com> escribió:

> I just spotted a further issue in Jürgen's translation to Spanish (which
> is otherwise perfect). "Pastizales" refers to grasslands, while
> "rangelands" is a wider definition, encompassing the very relevant wooded
> pastures. In a translation we have circulated among the Latin American
> pastoralist network we have used "tierras de pastoreo", which doesn't sound
> great but is the term that has been rather used with a "catch-all" scope.
>
>
>
> El mié., 2 sept. 2020 a las 13:34, Pablo Manzano Baena (<
> pablo.manzano.baena at gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> The issue that James has shared also happens in many Latin American
>> countries. But I wouldn't be too worried - probably an IYRP contributes to
>> make the term widely known and used as an international reference!
>>
>> El mié., 2 sept. 2020 a las 13:27, Ann Waters-Bayer (<waters-bayer at web.de>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Then we can simply add, in the box with definitions, that the word
>>> "pastoralists" includes also ranchers and graziers and all other synonyms
>>> used in region- or country-specific English.
>>>
>>> Surely ranchers will recognise themselves in the definition that has
>>> been given for pastoralists.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/09/20 12:45, James T. O'Rourke wrote:
>>>
>>> The word pastoralist is not used by U.S. ranchers, and in fact not
>>> understood.  They would not understand that they are pastoralists without
>>> considerable explanation.
>>>
>>> Cheers!  Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- waters-bayer at web.de wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de> <waters-bayer at web.de>
>>> To: Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com> <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu"
>>> <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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>>> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>>> for website
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 09:46:13 +0200
>>>
>>> Many thanks for this, Jürgen!
>>>
>>> The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their
>>> primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated
>>> animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and
>>> grasslands”) includes all the different types of pastoralists in different
>>> countries which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA)
>>> or “graziers” (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term
>>> pastoralist - see wikipedia referring to Australia "The owner of a
>>> station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the
>>> North American term "rancher"). Some people also use the word “herder”,
>>> who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist group, but this word
>>> refers - strictly speaking - to the people actually doing the herding
>>> (family members or hired) and would not include the other members of
>>> pastoralist families who take on other tasks in the production and
>>> livelihood system. Although, of course, the word can be defined
>>> differently, but then it should be defined explicitly when used.
>>>
>>> Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us
>>> is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands
>>> and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!
>>>
>>> This mail is going to the entire ISG, and I am curious to see what
>>> reactions there are, as this will help us in finalising the glossary.
>>>
>>> And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in
>>> Mexico, between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish
>>> terms).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:21 PM, Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Ann and all,
>>>
>>> Please find the version translated into Spanish.
>>>
>>> Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all
>>> other languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge
>>> “ranchers”.  In Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at
>>> the grassland ecosystem level is negligible compared to the role of
>>> ranchers, small and large.
>>>
>>> Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the
>>> participation of such an important group as are the*ranchers* of the
>>> world.
>>>
>>> Food for thought.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jürgen
>>>
>>> P.S, Can you please send me the figure of the last page in PPT so that I
>>> can translate it using the same layout? Thank you.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>>> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM
>>> *To: *"Ferrari, Serena (NSAG)" <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
>>> *Cc: *"iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <
>>> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for
>>> pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual
>>> materials for website
>>>
>>> Thanks ever so much for the corrections, Serena! I did not have a chance
>>> to have the text checked by a native French speaker.
>>>
>>> I hope that others in the ISG can make translations into Spanish,
>>> Arabic, Chinese etc. If any of you do, please share the translations with
>>> us all!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:13 PM, Ferrari, Serena (NSAG) <
>>> Serena.Ferrari at fao.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Ann,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for this document, it’s very well written. We are going to
>>> disseminating through the PKH subscribers’ group.
>>> You can find herewith the document in French with some – small –
>>> corrections.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>> Serena Ferrari
>>> Pastoralist Knowledge Hub
>>> Animal Production and Health Division
>>> Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
>>>  <image001.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>>>  *De la part de* Ann Waters-Bayer
>>> *Envoyé :* mardi 1 septembre 2020 09:59
>>> *À :* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu
>>> *Objet :* [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>>> for website
>>> *Importance :* Haute
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP -
>>> drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with
>>> organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also
>>> tried to make a French translation (which comes to 4 pages). I have
>>> deliberately not made a pdf out of this, as the text is meant to be adapted
>>> for different areas and in different languages (and please correct the
>>> French before sending it on to French speakers!).
>>>
>>> Two members of the ISG - Greg Perrier and Fernando Garcia-Dory - had
>>> pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials
>>> did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from
>>> supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore, with their help, I put
>>> this together.
>>>
>>> Please share the text - adapted as need be - with pastoralist
>>> organisations in your networks - and encourage them to:
>>>
>>>    - send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the
>>>    IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples,
>>>    if you want)
>>>    - send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc)
>>>    for the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting
>>>    of the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events
>>>    in Rome during the week of the meeting - please send the materials to
>>>    Barbara Hutchinson (BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu) or me
>>>    - join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the
>>>    IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) -
>>>    Maryam Niamir (mniafull2 at gmail.com) can provide more information
>>>    about these groups.
>>>
>>>
>>> The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or
>>> commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in
>>> Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more
>>> letters would give more weight to the request by the Mongolian Government
>>> that an IYRP be designated.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dr Ann Waters-Bayer*
>>> *Agrecol Association for AgriCulture & Ecology*
>>> *Coalition of European Lobbies for Eastern African Pastoralism (CELEP)*
>>> *E: waters-bayer at web.de <waters-bayer at web.de> / waters-bayer at agrecol.de
>>> <waters-bayer at agrecol.de>*
>>> *S: ann-waters*
>>> *W: www.agrecol.de <http://www.agrecol.de/> / www.celep.info
>>> <http://www.celep.info/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <IYRP informations pour les organisations pastorales 01-09-20.docx>
>>>
>>>
>>> <2020 08 31 IYRP information for pastoralist organisations SP-1.docx>
>>>
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