[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

Wed Sep 2 04:37:28 MST 2020

I just spotted a further issue in Jürgen's translation to Spanish (which is
otherwise perfect). "Pastizales" refers to grasslands, while "rangelands"
is a wider definition, encompassing the very relevant wooded pastures. In a
translation we have circulated among the Latin American pastoralist network
we have used "tierras de pastoreo", which doesn't sound great but is the
term that has been rather used with a "catch-all" scope.

El mié., 2 sept. 2020 a las 13:34, Pablo Manzano Baena (<
pablo.manzano.baena at gmail.com>) escribió:

> The issue that James has shared also happens in many Latin American
> countries. But I wouldn't be too worried - probably an IYRP contributes to
> make the term widely known and used as an international reference!
>
> El mié., 2 sept. 2020 a las 13:27, Ann Waters-Bayer (<waters-bayer at web.de>)
> escribió:
>
>> Then we can simply add, in the box with definitions, that the word
>> "pastoralists" includes also ranchers and graziers and all other synonyms
>> used in region- or country-specific English.
>>
>> Surely ranchers will recognise themselves in the definition that has been
>> given for pastoralists.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/20 12:45, James T. O'Rourke wrote:
>>
>> The word pastoralist is not used by U.S. ranchers, and in fact not
>> understood.  They would not understand that they are pastoralists without
>> considerable explanation.
>>
>> Cheers!  Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> --- waters-bayer at web.de wrote:
>>
>> From: Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de> <waters-bayer at web.de>
>> To: Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com> <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu"
>> <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>> <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>> <iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>> for website
>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 09:46:13 +0200
>>
>> Many thanks for this, Jürgen!
>>
>> The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their
>> primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated
>> animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and
>> grasslands”) includes all the different types of pastoralists in different
>> countries which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA)
>> or “graziers” (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term
>> pastoralist - see wikipedia referring to Australia "The owner of a
>> station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the
>> North American term "rancher"). Some people also use the word “herder”,
>> who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist group, but this word
>> refers - strictly speaking - to the people actually doing the herding
>> (family members or hired) and would not include the other members of
>> pastoralist families who take on other tasks in the production and
>> livelihood system. Although, of course, the word can be defined
>> differently, but then it should be defined explicitly when used.
>>
>> Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us
>> is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands
>> and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!
>>
>> This mail is going to the entire ISG, and I am curious to see what
>> reactions there are, as this will help us in finalising the glossary.
>>
>> And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in Mexico,
>> between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish terms).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ann
>>
>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:21 PM, Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ann and all,
>>
>> Please find the version translated into Spanish.
>>
>> Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all
>> other languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge
>> “ranchers”.  In Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at
>> the grassland ecosystem level is negligible compared to the role of
>> ranchers, small and large.
>>
>> Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the
>> participation of such an important group as are the*ranchers* of the
>> world.
>>
>> Food for thought.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jürgen
>>
>> P.S, Can you please send me the figure of the last page in PPT so that I
>> can translate it using the same layout? Thank you.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM
>> *To: *"Ferrari, Serena (NSAG)" <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
>> *Cc: *"iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <
>> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>> for website
>>
>> Thanks ever so much for the corrections, Serena! I did not have a chance
>> to have the text checked by a native French speaker.
>>
>> I hope that others in the ISG can make translations into Spanish, Arabic,
>> Chinese etc. If any of you do, please share the translations with us all!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:13 PM, Ferrari, Serena (NSAG) <
>> Serena.Ferrari at fao.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ann,
>>
>> Many thanks for this document, it’s very well written. We are going to
>> disseminating through the PKH subscribers’ group.
>> You can find herewith the document in French with some – small –
>> corrections.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Serena
>>
>> Serena Ferrari
>> Pastoralist Knowledge Hub
>> Animal Production and Health Division
>> Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
>>  <image001.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu> *De
>> la part de* Ann Waters-Bayer
>> *Envoyé :* mardi 1 septembre 2020 09:59
>> *À :* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu
>> *Objet :* [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>> for website
>> *Importance :* Haute
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP -
>> drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with
>> organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also
>> tried to make a French translation (which comes to 4 pages). I have
>> deliberately not made a pdf out of this, as the text is meant to be adapted
>> for different areas and in different languages (and please correct the
>> French before sending it on to French speakers!).
>>
>> Two members of the ISG - Greg Perrier and Fernando Garcia-Dory - had
>> pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials
>> did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from
>> supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore, with their help, I put
>> this together.
>>
>> Please share the text - adapted as need be - with pastoralist
>> organisations in your networks - and encourage them to:
>>
>>    - send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the
>>    IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples,
>>    if you want)
>>    - send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc)
>>    for the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting
>>    of the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events
>>    in Rome during the week of the meeting - please send the materials to
>>    Barbara Hutchinson (BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu) or me
>>    - join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the
>>    IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) -
>>    Maryam Niamir (mniafull2 at gmail.com) can provide more information
>>    about these groups.
>>
>>
>> The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or
>> commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in
>> Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more
>> letters would give more weight to the request by the Mongolian Government
>> that an IYRP be designated.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dr Ann Waters-Bayer*
>> *Agrecol Association for AgriCulture & Ecology*
>> *Coalition of European Lobbies for Eastern African Pastoralism (CELEP)*
>> *E: waters-bayer at web.de <waters-bayer at web.de> / waters-bayer at agrecol.de
>> <waters-bayer at agrecol.de>*
>> *S: ann-waters*
>> *W: www.agrecol.de <http://www.agrecol.de/> / www.celep.info
>> <http://www.celep.info/>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <IYRP informations pour les organisations pastorales 01-09-20.docx>
>>
>>
>> <2020 08 31 IYRP information for pastoralist organisations SP-1.docx>
>>
>>
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