<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Ilse, dear all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then perhaps the word should be “manage” rather than “raise”? There are indeed cases of pastoralists managing wild animals, including co-management of domesticated and wild animals and forms of wildlife conservation - in the past and in the present.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But to get back to the main debate: I fully agree with Barry that” … <span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class="">from a purely pragmatic point of view we are a short month away from a decision by COAG on the International Year. We need to rally our various regions behind the general term of pastoralists rather than divide based on our own interpretation of the definition.</span><font face="ArialMT" class="">”</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">Let’s focus now on getting the International Year of Rangeland and Pastoralists designated - and include discussion of the different interpretations of the word “pastoralism” (and “raise”) in the socio-institutional glossary to which Dana referred.</font></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">Cheers,</font></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">Ann</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Sep 2020, at 11:15 AM, Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <<a href="mailto:ilse.koehlerroll@googlemail.com" class="">ilse.koehlerroll@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading. Although both groups use rangelands, 'herding' and 'ranching', are quite different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle. Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the case in ranching. I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in Africa. <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">For this reason I have some problems with the definition of pastoralists as "people who– raise livestock, <b class="">wild</b> or semi-domesticated animals". The animals that pastoralists raise are never wild. 'Raising' in itself implies domestication.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">In German the word for herder is <i class="">Hirte </i>which has a strong connotation of taking care and looking after.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I think we should use the phrase 'pastoralists and ranchers' when we want to refer to the users of rangelands.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Ilse<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 18:58, Dana Kelly <<a href="mailto:d.kelly@uq.edu.au" target="_blank" class="">d.kelly@uq.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks Jurgen for raising this issue. I agree with Ann that many terms are used for pastoralists around the world. As David Phelps said, pastoralists is really only used in one state in Australia, we also use grazier and farmer; with farmer probably the most
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Comments would be very helpful in helping define this term in the socio-institutional glossary that we are working on! </div>
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owner of a station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the North American term "rancher").<span style="font-size:small" class=""> Some people also use the word “herder”, who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist
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Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all other languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge “ranchers”. In Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at the grassland ecosystem level is negligible compared
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Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the participation of such an important group as are the<b class="">ranchers</b><span class=""> </span>of the world.</div>
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Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP - drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also tried to make a French translation (which
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Two members of the ISG - Greg Perrier and Fernando Garcia-Dory - had pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore,
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Please share the text - adapted as need be - with pastoralist organisations in your networks - and encourage them to:</div>
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send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples, if you want)</li><li style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">
send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc) for the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting of the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events in Rome during the week of the meeting - please
send the materials to Barbara Hutchinson (<a href="mailto:BarbaraH@cals.arizona.edu" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">BarbaraH@cals.arizona.edu</a>) or me</li><li style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">
join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) - Maryam Niamir (<a href="mailto:mniafull2@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">mniafull2@gmail.com</a>)
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The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more letters would give more weight to the
request by the Mongolian Government that an IYRP be designated.</div>
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