<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><DIV><FONT size="2">Yep!</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2">Cheers! Jim<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR><BR>--- birving@ualberta.ca wrote:<BR><BR>From: Barry Irving <birving@ualberta.ca><BR>To: Elizabeth Katushabe <elizabethkatushabe@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: "iyrpsupportgroup@list.cals.arizona.edu" <iyrpsupportgroup@list.cals.arizona.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website<BR>Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 09:28:05 -0600<BR><BR><DIV dir="ltr">Everyone;<DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I did a quick definition search and found it was fairly consistent that definitions of Pastoralist was people who raised livestock, and the addition to that definition for a lot of definers was "often in a nomadic lifestyle". So, it's the "often" that is up for debate. If we allow ourselves to get too far into the definition debate we will split our group and our focus and perhaps jeopardize our cause. I wrote our Canadian Cattlemen's Association who represent all beef producers in Canada from big to small, intensive and extensive, and relatively rich to financially struggling. They were perfectly fine with the Canadian rancher fitting into the definition of pastoralist and are coming on board with formal support for the International Year of Rangelands and Pastoralists. To me the definition of pastoralism will be a continuum and while I can see distinct differences between zones on the continuum, I am unable to define a clear line where those differences warrant a new definition.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>And, from a purely pragmatic point of view we are a short month away from a decision by COAG on the International Year. We need to rally our various regions behind the general term of pastoralists rather than divide based on our own interpretation of the definition. Its great discussion, but we are too far committed to change or add to the general theme of Rangelands and Pastoralists. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>No definition will be perfect and it's a global cause which means there will be some local or regional discrepancies in definition. It would be extremely rare if this were not the case.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Barry Irving</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 8:11 AM Elizabeth Katushabe <<A href="mailto:elizabethkatushabe@yahoo.com">elizabethkatushabe@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><DIV>
Hello everyone thanks for the great discussion on pastoralism.<DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I would like to agree with Ilse that pastoralists and ranchers are not the same and maybe this difference has to do with different countries. Though they all depend on the rangelands as a resource .</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>It is really confusing for some of us to define pastoralists and ranchers as the same! In the Uganda context, ranchers are very rich people owning big hactares of land and big herds for commercial purposes. The land normally is divided into paddocks in order to control the different herds depending on the purpose e.g. for milking, in calf, bulls for fattening, etc </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>On the other hand Pastoralists are livestock keepers who live with their livestock and their livelihood depends on that particular livestock. Some have relatively big herds but others have very small herds. Some of them own pieces of land while others are landless. Some graze their livestock on community lands while others hire from those who own. Some are nomadic while others are sedentary. But all of them depend on the livestock for social cultural and economic continuity.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Elizabeth <BR><BR><BR><A href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</A><BR><BR><P style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 12:15 PM, Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <<A href="mailto:ilse.koehlerroll@googlemail.com">ilse.koehlerroll@googlemail.com</A>> wrote:</P><BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading. Although both groups use rangelands, 'herding' and 'ranching', are quite different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle. Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the case in ranching. I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in Africa. <BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">For this reason I have some problems with the definition of pastoralists as "people who– raise livestock, <B>wild</B> or semi-domesticated animals". The animals that pastoralists raise are never wild. 'Raising' in itself implies domestication.</DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">In German the word for herder is <I>Hirte </I>which has a strong connotation of taking care and looking after.</DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I think we should use the phrase 'pastoralists and ranchers' when we want to refer to the users of rangelands.</DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Best,</DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Ilse<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><BR></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV><DIV dir="ltr">On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 18:58, Dana Kelly <<A href="mailto:d.kelly@uq.edu.au">d.kelly@uq.edu.au</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<DIV>The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and grasslands”)
includes all the different types of pastoralists in different countries which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA) or “graziers” (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term pastoralist - see wikipedia referring to Australia "The
owner of a station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the North American term "rancher").<SPAN style="font-size:small"> Some people also use the word “herder”, who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist
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<DIV>Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!</DIV>
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<DIV>And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in Mexico, between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish terms).</DIV>
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send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples, if you want)</LI><LI style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc) for the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting of the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events in Rome during the week of the meeting - please
send the materials to Barbara Hutchinson (<A href="mailto:BarbaraH@cals.arizona.edu" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline">BarbaraH@cals.arizona.edu</A>) or me</LI><LI style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) - Maryam Niamir (<A href="mailto:mniafull2@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline">mniafull2@gmail.com</A>)
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The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more letters would give more weight to the
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