[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

[Tungaa SG]

Dear colleagues,

Following this interesting debate on definitions, I support the idea of
keeping it broad and inclusive so as not to cause a divide at this crucial
moment. However, I agree with Maryam that we would need to reach a
consensus on the terms under debate. I also agree with Pablo that the
wording itself is more of the issue in English speaking countries as we do
not have such a problem in Mongolian language where "pastoralist" is a
definitive word with no confusion around.

Tungaa

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:33 AM Maryam Niamir-Fuller <mniafull2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ilse
>
> Good comments. But in our discussions in the past, we made a deliberate
> choice to be inclusive in our definition *for the purpose of the IYRP*.
> The IYRP is a global worldwide initiative for all people whose livelihood
> depends on rangelands. (Note that the definition of "rangeland" comes from
> the International Rangeland Congress). For example, the folks herding
> reindeers do consider themselves as pastoralists (and these are semi-wild
> animals); also the southern african pastoralists who also have (and manage)
> wild ruminants in their domain.
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> Perhaps at some point in the future we can try to get an academic
> consensus on who is a ‘pastoralist’ , but for now it is important that we
> maintain an inclusive and extensive definition in order for the IYRP  to be
> meaningful and useful to all.
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> Would folks agree if we were to make a short video of testimony from as
> many pastoralists from around the world - all they have to say is "hello,
> my name is xxxx. I'm a pastoralist/rancher/herder (etc) from xxxx and I
> support the IYRP. "
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:15 AM Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <
> ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com> wrote:
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>> This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not
>> subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading.
>> Although both groups use rangelands,  'herding' and 'ranching', are quite
>> different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle.
>> Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a
>> totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and
>> inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the
>> case in ranching.  I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas
>> ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in
>> Africa.
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>> For this reason I have some problems with the definition of pastoralists
>> as "people who– raise livestock, *wild* or semi-domesticated animals".
>> The animals that pastoralists raise are never wild. 'Raising' in itself
>> implies domestication.
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>> In German the word for herder is *Hirte *which has a strong connotation
>> of taking care and looking after.
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>> I think we should use the phrase 'pastoralists and ranchers' when we want
>> to refer to the users of rangelands.
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>> Best,
>> Ilse
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>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 18:58, Dana Kelly <d.kelly at uq.edu.au> wrote:
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>>> Dear Jurgen and Ann,
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>>> Thanks Jurgen for raising this issue. I agree with Ann that many terms
>>> are used for pastoralists around the world. As David Phelps said,
>>> pastoralists is really only used in one state in Australia, we also use
>>> grazier and farmer; with farmer probably the most
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>>> commonly used term. Of course, in Australia pastoralists do not tend to
>>> move their livestock as a regular activity.
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>>> I would really appreciate hearing what terms other countries use for
>>> pastoralists, and how each country defines these peoples who are mobile and
>>> move around with their livestock.
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>>> Comments would be very helpful in helping define this term in the
>>> socio-institutional glossary that we are working on!
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>>> Best regards
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>>> *From:* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
>>> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
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>>> *Sent:* 02 September 2020 17:46
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>>> *To:* Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
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>>> *Cc:* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <
>>> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for
>>> pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual
>>> materials for website
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>>> Many thanks for this, Jürgen!
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>>> The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their
>>> primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated
>>> animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and
>>> grasslands”)
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>>> includes all the different types of pastoralists in different countries
>>> which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA) or “graziers”
>>> (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term pastoralist - see
>>> wikipedia referring to Australia "The
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>>> owner of a station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which
>>> corresponds to the North American term "rancher"). Some people also use
>>> the word “herder”, who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist
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>>> group, but this word refers - strictly speaking - to the people actually
>>> doing the herding (family members or hired) and would not include the other
>>> members of pastoralist families who take on other tasks in the production
>>> and livelihood system. Although,
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>>> of course, the word can be defined differently, but then it should be
>>> defined explicitly when used.
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>>> Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us
>>> is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands
>>> and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!
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>>> This mail is going to the entire ISG, and I am curious to see what
>>> reactions there are, as this will help us in finalising the glossary.
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>>> And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in
>>> Mexico, between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish
>>> terms).
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Ann
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>>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:21 PM, Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
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>>> Hello Ann and all,
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>>> Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all
>>> other languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge
>>> “ranchers”.  In Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at
>>> the grassland ecosystem level is negligible compared
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>>> to the role of ranchers, small and large.
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>>> Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the
>>> participation of such an important group as are the*ranchers* of the
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>>> Food for thought.
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>>> Best,
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>>> P.S, Can you please send me the figure of the last page in PPT so that I
>>> can translate it using the same layout? Thank you.
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>>> *______________________*
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>>> *Jürgen Hoth*, *Biol.,* *M.Sc.*
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>>> (819) 421 4130
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>>> jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com
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>>> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu
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>>> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
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>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM
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>>> *To: *"Ferrari, Serena (NSAG)" <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
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>>> *Cc: *"iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <
>>> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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>>> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for
>>> pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual
>>> materials for website
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>>> Thanks ever so much for the corrections, Serena! I did not have a chance
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>>> I hope that others in the ISG can make translations into Spanish,
>>> Arabic, Chinese etc. If any of you do, please share the translations with
>>> us all!
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>>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:13 PM, Ferrari, Serena (NSAG) <
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>>> Dear Ann,
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>>> Many thanks for this document, it’s very well written. We are going to
>>> disseminating through the PKH subscribers’ group.
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>>> You can find herewith the document in French with some – small –
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>>> *De :* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
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>>> *De la part de* Ann Waters-Bayer
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>>> *Envoyé :* mardi 1 septembre 2020 09:59
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>>> *À :* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu
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>>> *Objet :* [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
>>> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
>>> for website
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>>> *Importance :* Haute
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>>> Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP -
>>> drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with
>>> organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also
>>> tried to make a French translation (which
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>>> comes to 4 pages). I have deliberately not made a pdf out of this, as
>>> the text is meant to be adapted for different areas and in different
>>> languages (and please correct the French before sending it on to French
>>> speakers!).
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>>> pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials
>>> did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from
>>> supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore,
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>>>    IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples,
>>>    if you want)
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>>>    send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc) for
>>>    the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting of
>>>    the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events in
>>>    Rome during the week of the meeting - please
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>>>    send the materials to Barbara Hutchinson (BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu)
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>>>    join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the
>>>    IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) -
>>>    Maryam Niamir (mniafull2 at gmail.com)
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>>> Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more
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>> --
>> Dr. Ilse Köhler-Rollefson
>> Butibagh, Sadri 306702, District Pali, Rajasthan, India
>> Mobile+91-9829477535
>> Skype ilse.kohler.rollefson
>> www.ilse-koehler-rollefson.com
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>> Recipient of Nari Shakti (Women's power) Award by the President of India
>> in 2017
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Tungaa

Ph.D. Rangeland Ecosystem Science
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