[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

[Perrier, Gregory K.]

I also find this discussion very interesting.  I find ranching and pastoralism to be very different modes of livestock production.  In ranching the land is owned and the area fixed.  The land and forage are the economic resources and applying livestock to that resources provide a financial gain.  In pastoralism the herders often do not privately own the land on which they graze the livestock.  In this case the livestock in an economic resource owned by the pastoralist family and mobility allows them to access grazing resources they do not own.  The tools of range science are controlled stocking rates and rangeland improvements.  Stock rates assumes use of a fixed land resource with sole access by one family and range improvements assumes private control of grazing land so the family can capture the benefit of their investment in improvements.  These tools are no appropriate for a pastoralist mode of livestock production.  That is the main reason that range improvement projects in pastoralist areas have had little success.  We really need to develop range science tools that are appropriate for pastoralist.  As far as the IYRP is concerned,  we need to decide if we are including both of these modes of livestock production or focusing on the pastoralist mode.


Take care,


Greg Perrier

Emeritus Professor, Biology

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Dear all, dear Jurgen



Nice to see this discussion ongoing.

I think this discussion already happen sometime ago, when we start this join effort to move forward the Initiative, and I think was already clear for everybody.

Ranches can be considered for this proposal under the ¨Rangeland¨ part of it together with other grazing areas but from the human point of view the focus should be  only Pastoralists/pastores/pasteurs, whatever the definition you want to give. So I propose don´t make confusion with the terminology and, from a global perspective, avoid using any other  terminology that could damage the impact of the IYR and PASTORALISTS if finally happen. National adaptation to specific terminology will be made at country or local level.

Best regards

Gregorio



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Hello everyone thanks for the great discussion on pastoralism.



I would like to agree with Ilse that pastoralists and ranchers are not the same and maybe this difference has to do with different countries. Though they all depend on the rangelands as a resource .



It is really confusing for some of us to define pastoralists and ranchers as the same! In the Uganda context, ranchers are very rich people owning big hactares of land and big herds for commercial purposes. The land normally is divided into paddocks in order to control the different herds depending on the purpose e.g. for milking, in calf, bulls for fattening, etc



On the other hand Pastoralists are livestock keepers who live with their livestock and their livelihood depends on that particular livestock. Some have relatively big herds but others have very small herds. Some of them own pieces of land while others are landless. Some graze their livestock on community lands while others hire from those who own. Some are nomadic while others are sedentary. But all of them depend on the livestock for social cultural and economic continuity.



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On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 12:15 PM, Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com<mailto:ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com>> wrote:

This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading. Although both groups use rangelands,  'herding' and 'ranching', are quite different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle. Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the case in ranching.  I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in Africa.



For this reason I have some problems with the definition of pastoralists as "people who– raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated animals". The animals that pastoralists raise are never wild. 'Raising' in itself implies domestication.



In German the word for herder is Hirte which has a strong connotation of taking care and looking after.



I think we should use the phrase 'pastoralists and ranchers' when we want to refer to the users of rangelands.



Best,

Ilse







On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 18:58, Dana Kelly <d.kelly at uq.edu.au<mailto:d.kelly at uq.edu.au>> wrote:

Dear Jurgen and Ann,



Thanks Jurgen for raising this issue. I agree with Ann that many terms are used for pastoralists around the world. As David Phelps said, pastoralists is really only used in one state in Australia, we also use grazier and farmer; with farmer probably the most commonly used term. Of course, in Australia pastoralists do not tend to move their livestock as a regular activity.



I would really appreciate hearing what terms other countries use for pastoralists, and how each country defines these peoples who are mobile and move around with their livestock.



Comments would be very helpful in helping define this term in the socio-institutional glossary that we are working on!



Best regards

Dana



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Many thanks for this, Jürgen!



The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and grasslands”) includes all the different types of pastoralists in different countries which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA) or “graziers” (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term pastoralist - see wikipedia referring to Australia "The owner of a station is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the North American term "rancher"). Some people also use the word “herder”, who would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist group, but this word refers - strictly speaking - to the people actually doing the herding (family members or hired) and would not include the other members of pastoralist families who take on other tasks in the production and livelihood system. Although, of course, the word can be defined differently, but then it should be defined explicitly when used.



Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!



This mail is going to the entire ISG, and I am curious to see what reactions there are, as this will help us in finalising the glossary.



And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in Mexico, between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish terms).



Cheers

Ann



On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:21 PM, Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com<mailto:jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello Ann and all,



Please find the version translated into Spanish.



Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all other languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge “ranchers”.  In Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at the grassland ecosystem level is negligible compared to the role of ranchers, small and large.



Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the participation of such an important group as are theranchers of the world.



Food for thought.



Best,



Jürgen



P.S, Can you please send me the figure of the last page in PPT so that I can translate it using the same layout? Thank you.



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Thanks ever so much for the corrections, Serena! I did not have a chance to have the text checked by a native French speaker.



I hope that others in the ISG can make translations into Spanish, Arabic, Chinese etc. If any of you do, please share the translations with us all!



Cheers,

Ann





On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:13 PM, Ferrari, Serena (NSAG) <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org<mailto:Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>> wrote:



Dear Ann,



Many thanks for this document, it’s very well written. We are going to disseminating through the PKH subscribers’ group.

You can find herewith the document in French with some – small – corrections.



Best wishes,



Serena



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Pastoralist Knowledge Hub

Animal Production and Health Division

Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations

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Dear all,



Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP - drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also tried to make a French translation (which comes to 4 pages). I have deliberately not made a pdf out of this, as the text is meant to be adapted for different areas and in different languages (and please correct the French before sending it on to French speakers!).



Two members of the ISG - Greg Perrier and Fernando Garcia-Dory - had pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore, with their help, I put this together.



Please share the text - adapted as need be - with pastoralist organisations in your networks - and encourage them to:

  *   send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples, if you want)
  *   send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc) for the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting of the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events in Rome during the week of the meeting - please send the materials to Barbara Hutchinson (BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu<mailto:BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu>) or me
  *   join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) - Maryam Niamir (mniafull2 at gmail.com<mailto:mniafull2 at gmail.com>) can provide more information about these groups.



The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more letters would give more weight to the request by the Mongolian Government that an IYRP be designated.



Thanks in advance!



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