[IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials for website

Thu Sep 3 08:28:05 MST 2020

Everyone;

I did a quick definition search and found it was fairly consistent that
definitions of Pastoralist was people who raised livestock, and the
addition to that definition for a lot of definers was "often in a nomadic
lifestyle".  So, it's the "often" that is up for debate.  If we allow
ourselves to get too far into the definition debate we will split our group
and our focus and perhaps jeopardize our cause.  I wrote our Canadian
Cattlemen's Association who represent all beef producers in Canada from big
to small, intensive and extensive, and relatively rich to financially
struggling.  They were perfectly fine with the Canadian rancher fitting
into the definition of pastoralist and are coming on board with formal
support for the International Year of Rangelands and Pastoralists.  To me
the definition of pastoralism will be a continuum and while I can see
distinct differences between zones on the continuum, I am unable to define
a clear line where those differences warrant a new definition.

And, from a purely pragmatic point of view we are a short month away from a
decision by COAG on the International Year.  We need to rally our various
regions behind the general term of pastoralists rather than divide based on
our own interpretation of the definition.  Its great discussion, but we are
too far committed to change or add to the general theme of Rangelands and
Pastoralists.

No definition will be perfect and it's a global cause which means there
will be some local or regional discrepancies in definition.  It would be
extremely rare if this were not the case.

Barry Irving

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 8:11 AM Elizabeth Katushabe <
elizabethkatushabe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone thanks for the great discussion on pastoralism.
>
> I would like to agree with Ilse that pastoralists and ranchers are not
> the same and maybe this difference has to do with different countries.
> Though they all depend on the rangelands as a resource .
>
> It is really confusing for some of us to define pastoralists and ranchers
> as the same! In the Uganda context, ranchers are very rich people
> owning big hactares of land and big herds for commercial purposes. The land
> normally is divided into paddocks in order to control the different herds
> depending on the purpose e.g. for milking, in calf, bulls for fattening,
> etc
>
> On the other hand Pastoralists are livestock keepers who live with their
> livestock and their livelihood depends on that particular livestock. Some
> have relatively big herds but others have very small herds. Some of them
> own pieces of land while others are landless. Some graze their livestock on
> community lands while others hire from those who own. Some are nomadic
> while others are sedentary. But all of them depend on the livestock for
> social cultural and economic continuity.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
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>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 12:15 PM, Ilse Köhler-Rollefson <
> ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> This is a very interesting and essential discussion. I would try to not
> subsume 'traditional' pastoralists and ranchers under the same heading.
> Although both groups use rangelands,  'herding' and 'ranching', are quite
> different in approach and concept, in addition to the property angle.
> Herding means continuously walking with your animals which implies a
> totally different relationship with them - one of deep trust and
> inter-species bonding, or it simply does not work. I don't think that's the
> case in ranching.  I would say pastoralists focus on the herd, whereas
> ranchers focus on the land. Herding is usually more productive, at least in
> Africa.
>
> For this reason I have some problems with the definition of pastoralists
> as "people who– raise livestock, *wild* or semi-domesticated animals".
> The animals that pastoralists raise are never wild. 'Raising' in itself
> implies domestication.
>
> In German the word for herder is *Hirte *which has a strong connotation
> of taking care and looking after.
>
> I think we should use the phrase 'pastoralists and ranchers' when we want
> to refer to the users of rangelands.
>
> Best,
> Ilse
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 18:58, Dana Kelly <d.kelly at uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Dear Jurgen and Ann,
>
> Thanks Jurgen for raising this issue. I agree with Ann that many terms are
> used for pastoralists around the world. As David Phelps said, pastoralists
> is really only used in one state in Australia, we also use grazier and
> farmer; with farmer probably the most commonly used term. Of course, in
> Australia pastoralists do not tend to move their livestock as a regular
> activity.
>
> I would really appreciate hearing what terms other countries use for
> pastoralists, and how each country defines these peoples who are mobile and
> move around with their livestock.
>
> Comments would be very helpful in helping define this term in the
> socio-institutional glossary that we are working on!
>
> Best regards
> Dana
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
> *Sent:* 02 September 2020 17:46
> *To:* Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <
> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
> for website
>
> Many thanks for this, Jürgen!
>
> The word “pastoralist” as defined in the box (“people who – as their
> primary source of living – raise livestock, wild or semi-domesticated
> animals on plants that grow naturally, often called rangelands and
> grasslands”) includes all the different types of pastoralists in different
> countries which, in English, may also be known as “ranchers” (USA)
> or “graziers” (Australia). Indeed, the Australians also use the term
> pastoralist - see wikipedia referring to Australia "The owner of a station
> is called a pastoralist or a grazier (which corresponds to the North
> American term "rancher"). Some people also use the word “herder”, who
> would also be regarded as part of the pastoralist group, but this word
> refers - strictly speaking - to the people actually doing the herding
> (family members or hired) and would not include the other members of
> pastoralist families who take on other tasks in the production and
> livelihood system. Although, of course, the word can be defined
> differently, but then it should be defined explicitly when used.
>
> Actually, we have been doing a lot of thinking about this: a group of us
> is currently working on a glossary of “people” terms related to rangelands
> and pastoralism. We should hurry up and get it out!
>
> This mail is going to the entire ISG, and I am curious to see what
> reactions there are, as this will help us in finalising the glossary.
>
> And I would be very interested to know what the difference is, in Mexico,
> between a “pastoralist” and a “rancher” (in the equivalent Spanish terms).
>
> Cheers
> Ann
>
> On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:21 PM, Jurgen Hoth <jurgenhoth1521 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Ann and all,
>
> Please find the version translated into Spanish.
>
> Please note, as much in English as in Spanish and very likely in all other
> languages, I would much recommend to explicitly acknowledge “ranchers”.  In
> Mexico, for instance, pastoralists presence and impact at the grassland
> ecosystem level is negligible compared to the role of ranchers, small and
> large.
>
> Most certainly, only seeing “pastoralists” may unnecessarily hinder the
> participation of such an important group as are the*ranchers* of the
> world.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Best,
>
> Jürgen
>
> P.S, Can you please send me the figure of the last page in PPT so that I
> can translate it using the same layout? Thank you.
>
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>
>
>
> *From: *IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> on behalf of Ann Waters-Bayer <waters-bayer at web.de>
> *Date: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM
> *To: *"Ferrari, Serena (NSAG)" <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
> *Cc: *"iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu" <
> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
> for website
>
> Thanks ever so much for the corrections, Serena! I did not have a chance
> to have the text checked by a native French speaker.
>
> I hope that others in the ISG can make translations into Spanish, Arabic,
> Chinese etc. If any of you do, please share the translations with us all!
>
> Cheers,
> Ann
>
>
>
> On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:13 PM, Ferrari, Serena (NSAG) <Serena.Ferrari at fao.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Ann,
>
> Many thanks for this document, it’s very well written. We are going to
> disseminating through the PKH subscribers’ group.
> You can find herewith the document in French with some – small –
> corrections.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Serena
>
> Serena Ferrari
> Pastoralist Knowledge Hub
> Animal Production and Health Division
> Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
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>
>
>
> *De :* IYRPsupportgroup <iyrpsupportgroup-bounces at list.cals.arizona.edu> *De
> la part de* Ann Waters-Bayer
> *Envoyé :* mardi 1 septembre 2020 09:59
> *À :* iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu
> *Objet :* [IYRPsupportgroup] Information about IYRP for pastoralist
> organisations - call for letters of support/commitment & visual materials
> for website
> *Importance :* Haute
>
> Dear all,
>
> Attached please find a 3-pager with current information about the IYRP -
> drafted specifically for sharing with pastoralist organisations and with
> organisations working directly with pastoralists at the grassroots. I also
> tried to make a French translation (which comes to 4 pages). I have
> deliberately not made a pdf out of this, as the text is meant to be adapted
> for different areas and in different languages (and please correct the
> French before sending it on to French speakers!).
>
> Two members of the ISG - Greg Perrier and Fernando Garcia-Dory - had
> pointed out that the type of information we had thus far as PR materials
> did not make very clear to pastoralists what they could gain from
> supporting and being involved in an IYRP. Therefore, with their help, I put
> this together.
>
> Please share the text - adapted as need be - with pastoralist
> organisations in your networks - and encourage them to:
>
>    - send to the FAO COAG Secretariat their letters of support for the
>    IYRP or even commitment to contributing to the IYRP (we can send examples,
>    if you want)
>    - send visual materials about pastoralism (videoclips, photos etc) for
>    the online “website-booth” that we are setting up because the meeting of
>    the COAG will be virtual, so we cannot have a physical booth and events in
>    Rome during the week of the meeting - please send the materials to Barbara
>    Hutchinson (BarbaraH at cals.arizona.edu) or me
>    - join the regional groups that are being set up to prepare for the
>    IYRP (in the hopes that it will be approved by the COAG on 2 October) -
>    Maryam Niamir (mniafull2 at gmail.com) can provide more information about
>    these groups.
>
>
> The COAG Secretariat has already received several letters of support or
> commitment, including from some pastoralist organisations and networks in
> Africa, CentralAsia, Europe, the Middle East and South America, but more
> letters would give more weight to the request by the Mongolian Government
> that an IYRP be designated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Ann
>
>
>
> *Dr Ann Waters-Bayer*
> *Agrecol Association for AgriCulture & Ecology*
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>
>
> <IYRP informations pour les organisations pastorales 01-09-20.docx>
>
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> <2020 08 31 IYRP information for pastoralist organisations SP-1.docx>
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