[IYRPsupportgroup] [pastoralist-hub] A wonderful video from Asociación Trashumancia y Naturaleza

Fri Oct 23 19:52:05 MST 2020

Dear Francesca,

thank you so much! Yes, the closeness between people and animals is
actually a characteristic common of all or most pastoralists and would be
important to include in the definition of pastoralism. Because this is what
actually makes it attractive to all the young people who are going vegan
because they are (rightly) abhorred about how most meat and milk is
produced.

As for the coordinated global droving of herds and flocks through cities:
yes, it is stressful for animals and hard work for pastoralists, but I am
sure it can be done in many countries, although not on the scale of the
event in Madrid.

Last year, Raika pastoralists drove their camels through a nearby town to
push for forest grazing rights.
[image: sadri demo Gamnaram.jpg]

And 10 years ago, the German shepherds drove a huge flock through the
Brandenburg Gate in Berlin.

[image: Hirtenzug.jpeg]

I am sure in both India and Germany, herders are game for this! We should
bring in WAMIP, the World Association for Mobile Indigenous Pastoralists,
to make this a bottom-up, community driven effort.

Warm regards,
Ilse

On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 04:24, Francesca Pasetti <fpasettib at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Ilse,
>
> I am absolutely fascinated and touched by the two films you put under your
> signature.
>
> In fact, I feel you are saying about the Indian nomads, something that is
> for all nomads or mobile pastoralists (transhumants) of the world.
>
>
>
> The same you tell in your TED interview about the Indian Raikas can be
> said about Carmelina Colantuono and Nunzio Marcelli, the two Italian
> herders which are cited in the National Geographic document you shared in
> your last email. (
> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2020/05/what-you-learn-when-you-follow-the-herd-in-italy-feature/
> )
>
>
>
> Herders all over the world love their animals, and do everything they can,
> for their health and for their wellbeing. Healthy and happy animals will
> give us high quality meat and dairy products, so we will also stay healthy,
> and this is a sustainable way of life, that can be (and has been) inherited
> for centuries.
>
>
>
> Intensive livestock keeping, as well as many laws concerning modern safe
> slaughtering and animal transport etc worldwide are conceived with economic
> goals, not considering animal welfare. Animals are seen only as a resource
> to be used and exploited.
>
>
>
> What you tell about the Raikas, (who never sell the female camel, nor sell
> their milk, because these are a gift they received from Heaven, and
> therefore they feel they have the obligation to preserve it), is the
> demonstration of a world, that has been living in balance with Mother Earth
> and Nature for centuries, and which is in great danger to disappear.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the work of all of us, who know and understand the importance
> of Rangeland and Pastoralism, is urgent and fundamental for the survival of
> Biodiversity and Nature in many regions of the world.
>
> As you say, Ilse, in your TED interview, if these Raikas and their
> traditional knowledge disappear, this will have deep unforeseeable and
> irreversible consequences. This statement is perfectly valid for the
> knowledge of traditional rangers, herders and pastoralists all over the
> world.
>
>
>
> One of the most important goals of this objective we have of 2026 IYRP, is
> the worldwide connections and relationships, and collaborations it is
> creating.
>
>
>
> We are many, who are working worldwide to support and protect mobile and
> extensive pastoralism, in our regions or countries, but alone we cannot
> achieve as much, as what we will, now, as soon as we are almost all
> connected and able to create together, and send at the same time, the same
> urgent and important message all over the world.
>
>
>
> To organise flocks crossing important cities or capitals is something that
> actually costs a lot of work for its preparation and coordination. It is
> also very stressful for the animals, and for the shepherds, but the media
> impact it can have worldwide is so important to create awareness about the
> existence and importance of mobile pastoralism, as you can see, for
> example, in this BBC article about transhumance passing through the very
> centre of Madrid in 2019: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50115974).
>
>
>
> Therefore, it is important we go for it, as you suggest Fiona, Ilse and
> Dana, and we will be pleased to receive all the financial and institutional
> support that is needed to realise this transhumance passing also through
> Rome, and other capital cities worldwide.
>
>
>
> When Jesus Garzón, many of you know, in 1993 realised again, after more
> than one century, Transhuming sheeps walking on the drove (existing since
> roman times) that crosses the city of Madrid, honouring a 1418 agreement
> with the city's council where the price of “50 *maravedís al millar”* (50
> coins per thousand heads of livestock) was set for the animal traffic
> through city, he received a lot of letters from different embassies,
> asking why they allowed these “uncultured and ignorant shepherds” to bring
> their animals through an European capital. These letters were sent from
> countries were they were trying to stop or at least limit nomadism and
> mobile pastoralism, and they were shocked about this initiative in a modern
> capital of an EU country like Spain.
>
>
>
> Now, almost 30 years later, the importance of pastoralism is known much
> better, and the moment has come to revalorise this traditional and
> worldwide important activity, and to recognise and promote its social,
> environmental and economic importance, as well as its long term
> sustainability and capacity to adapt to climate change.
>
>
>
> Warm regards
>
> Francesca
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Francesca Pasetti Bombardella PhD
> Tel: 0039 380 6337 111
> Tel: 0049-1520 840 4438
> Email: fpasettib at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> El vie., 23 oct. 2020 a las 3:03, Ilse Köhler-Rollefson (<
> ilse.koehlerroll at googlemail.com>) escribió:
>
>> Dear Francesca,
>> yes, absolutely fascinating history! So important to look into the
>> difference between countries! I am totally intrigued!
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Ilse
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 03:09, Francesca Pasetti <fpasettib at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Fiona,
>>> Thank you for your suggestion concerning doing something similar in
>>> Rome, as it has been done in Madrid since 1990: transhumance passing
>>> through the capital using traditional droves.
>>>
>>> Thank you Pablo, for your clarification: in fact Nicola di Niro and
>>> myself are working on transhumance in Italy, and the recuperation of
>>> italian droves (italian name: tratturi).
>>>
>>> As you suppose, Fiona, through Rome there is an ancient drove, which was
>>> bringing trashuming sheep from Vatican city to the Abruzzo mountains. This
>>> drove was passing in a part of Rome actually called EUR.
>>> At that time the Region that today is called Abbruzzo, was belonging to
>>> the Vatican State (Which included the regions today called Abbruzzo and
>>> Lazio).
>>>
>>> Three years ago it was tried to realise again this transhumance passing
>>> through the EUR, in Rome, but it has not been possible because the
>>> shepherds did not agree with the conditions they were offered to realise
>>> it.
>>> For this year 2020 it was foreseen to pass with transhuming sheep on the
>>> ancient transhumance drove which passes through the city of Foggia, but
>>> because of the actual COVID situation, it could not be realized.
>>> Foggia was in ancient times the most important drove centre, a
>>> transhuming crossroad, of South Italy. In fact in Foggia there is actually
>>> the most important italian library with documents concerning transhumance,
>>> traditional animal breeding, and ancient legislation about droves.
>>> Therefore it is important also to allow again transhuming animals to use
>>> these droves crossing Foggia.
>>>
>>> There is a great difference between the possibility to organise a
>>> trashumance passing through a city in Spain and in Italy: Spain already has
>>> a very ancient (created in 1273, and renewed/actualised in 1995) current
>>> law protecting its 125.000 km of doves. Italy has not.
>>> Like in Spain, also in Italy droves are used by transhuming animals
>>> since prehistory (Therefore in both countries you have many megalithic
>>> stones of the prehistoric shepherds).
>>> In Italy the first registered protection of droves was a law of
>>> Theodosio, in the year 400. Shepherds and their flocks were protected up to
>>> Napoleon, who in 1806 made a law privileging farmers, and up to today,
>>> there has never again been realised any law protecting shepherds. From then
>>> onwards in Italy transhumance began to reduce drastically everywhere.
>>>
>>> Therefore to pass with transhuming animals through villages and cities
>>> in Spain is actually almost easy, in Italy it is very difficult to organise.
>>> Actually the still few transhuming shepherds in Italy have it each year
>>> more difficult to realise their transhumance, which has been done for
>>> centuries.
>>>
>>> The nomination of Transhumance as UNESCO World Heritage last december
>>> 2019, and now the IYRP are both very important also for Italian shepherds:
>>> Worldwide the protection of shepherds rights, as well as the acknowledgment
>>> of policy makers (and general population) about the importance of
>>> pastoralism is of vital importance.
>>>
>>> We were already thinking to suggest again Rome for a transhuming flock
>>> passing through the city the next years: with the support of the
>>> organisation of IYRP and FAO, it will be certainly easier to realise it for
>>> 2021
>>>
>>> Warm regards
>>> Francesca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Francesca Pasetti Bombardella PhD
>>> ASviR-MoliGal - Italia
>>> Tel: 0039 380 6337 111
>>> Tel: 0049-1520 840 4438
>>> Email: fpasettib at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> De: Pablo Manzano Baena <pablo.manzano.baena at gmail.com>
>>> Date: mar., 20 oct. 2020 a las 10:00
>>> Subject: Re: [IYRPsupportgroup] [pastoralist-hub] A wonderful video from
>>> Asociación Trashumancia y Naturaleza
>>> To: Flintan, Fiona (ILRI) <F.Flintan at cgiar.org>
>>> Cc: iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu <
>>> iyrpsupportgroup at list.cals.arizona.edu>, Ganbayar G <rome2 at mfa.gov.mn>,
>>> Francesca Pasetti Bombardella <fpasettib at gmail.com>, Nicola Di Niro <
>>> nicoldin29 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Fiona.
>>> Regarding mobile pastoralism in Italy, there are people actually working
>>> on that.  I think Francesca Pasetti is in the group but I CC her just in
>>> case - she works with Nicola di Niro (CC'd also) in recovering Italian
>>> tratturi.
>>>
>>> El mar., 20 oct. 2020 a las 9:30, Flintan, Fiona (ILRI) (<
>>> F.Flintan at cgiar.org>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> *Gregorio and Mr Ganbayar - we should organise the same kind of event
>>>> (droving of sheep through the city - for sure there are some ancient routes
>>>> to follow) in Rome for IYRP!!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* Forum of the Pastoralist Knowledge Hub <
>>>> pastoralist-hub at dgroups.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [pastoralist-hub] A wonderful video from Asociación
>>>> Trashumancia y Naturaleza
>>>>
>>>> A wonderful video from Asociación Trashumancia y Naturaleza:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygf3u3HCzE
>>>>
>>>> "Transhumance is a fundamental tool in land management and soil
>>>> recovery; improvement of natural resources; water management; forest fire
>>>> prevention and also in creating employment in rural areas. We must continue
>>>> to work to make the authorities fully aware of the importance of its role
>>>> in retro-innovation as a measure to combat the economic and climate
>>>> crises…”
>>>>
>>>> In honor of all Transhumance Festivals that TyN has been organizing for
>>>> 27 years in Madrid, this past weekend they have presented a short
>>>> video-documentary "Transhumance: walking and sowing for a sustainable
>>>> future" (with English subtitles)
>>>>
>>>> Full programme and more more amazing videos and photos during this week
>>>> on Twitter https://twitter.com/Trashumanc.../status/1318101429349982208
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In case you want to join the online activities on 24 and 25 October
>>>> (workshops on cooking, wool...) (and practice your Spanish) just use the
>>>> link to youtube channel https://bit.ly/356ky1x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Engin Yılmaz
>>>> Yolda Initiative
>>>> T +90 549 860 27 66
>>>> www.yolda.org.tr | engin at bican.net | engin at yolda.org.tr
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>>
>> --
>> Dr. Ilse Köhler-Rollefson
>> Butibagh, Sadri 306702, District Pali, Rajasthan, India
>> Mobile+91-9829477535
>> Skype ilse.kohler.rollefson
>> www.ilse-koehler-rollefson.com
>>
>> Recipient of Nari Shakti (Women's power) Award by the President of India
>> in 2017
>>
>> Co-director of the Marwar Camel Culture Festival
>>
>>
>> Projects Coordinator
>> League for Pastoral Peoples and Endogenous Livestock Development
>> - We move the world of pastoralists -
>> Pragelatostr. 20
>> 64372 Ober-Ramstadt
>> Germany
>> Tel. +49-6154-53642, mobil 015785676849
>> email ilse at pastoralpeoples.org
>> www.pastoralpeoples.org
>>
>> New article published in ANIMAL: Are we on the right track towards
>> livestock sector sustainability ?
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S1751731117001513
>>
>> Support the camels of Rajasthan at www.camelsofrajasthan.com and watch
>> how to ethically produce milk:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHd8hsKCvM#action=share
>>
>> Learn more about camels in "Camel Karma. Twenty Years among India's Camel
>> Nomads" published by Tranquebar Press. www.camel-karma.com.
>>
>> Watch TEDX talk about The Nomads that feed us
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f45NakX2I0s>
>>
>> Follow on Twitter @IlseKohler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Dr. Ilse Köhler-Rollefson
Butibagh, Sadri 306702, District Pali, Rajasthan, India
Mobile+91-9829477535
Skype ilse.kohler.rollefson
www.ilse-koehler-rollefson.com

Recipient of Nari Shakti (Women's power) Award by the President of India in
2017

Co-director of the Marwar Camel Culture Festival

Projects Coordinator
League for Pastoral Peoples and Endogenous Livestock Development
- We move the world of pastoralists -
Pragelatostr. 20
64372 Ober-Ramstadt
Germany
Tel. +49-6154-53642, mobil 015785676849
email ilse at pastoralpeoples.org
www.pastoralpeoples.org

New article published in ANIMAL: Are we on the right track towards
livestock sector sustainability ?
http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S1751731117001513

Support the camels of Rajasthan at www.camelsofrajasthan.com and watch how
to ethically produce milk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHd8hsKCvM#action=share

Learn more about camels in "Camel Karma. Twenty Years among India's Camel
Nomads" published by Tranquebar Press. www.camel-karma.com.

Watch TEDX talk about The Nomads that feed us
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f45NakX2I0s>

Follow on Twitter @IlseKohler
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